yah, i'm in the manueli craze at the moment. i have been wanting this fish for a very looong time. it is definitely worth the wait. btw, your 17" rhom that you purchased from john/knifeman is an awesome fish. that fish came all the way from california, my buddy owned it and i almost bought that fish from him because he had 2 of those but i didn't have space for another tank. so, i just settled for a 13" rhom.....hopefully, someday that awesome rhom will come back to the lovely shores of california :biggrin: .