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This topic was brought up in one of my english classes in college for debate.

My personal stance is that I am a christian and believe in God.

The debate is of the governments policy of seperation of church and state.
For those that dont know what that is about, the US government made a policy that the government is not involved or affiliated with religion, or at least thats my understanding.

Then my questions are,

why does the government sanction licenses to preists and so forth for certain religial ceremonies?

Why does it say in God we trust on our currency?

To me it seems that we are not seperated.

So then how can government organizations justify firing teachers for talking about God (their own beliefs) in school?

It just doesnt seem right to me
 

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It doesnt seem like that big of a thing to you because you're a Christian, as am I. But Im sure most of america or the average person would be up in arms if a teacher tried to push their ideals of their religion if it wasnt christianity, like Islam or Athiesm. I guess to keep that from happening you have to make sure that no one talks about religion.

I mean I have heard teachers say thing like "Hope to God...." you know that somethign doesnt happen. Like my math teacher made a reference like that and it was whether or not a problem would blow up or not. "Just hope to God it doesnt" Its part of our culture saying things like "Oh my God!". Whether they believe in God or not. I think its a very complicated issue
 

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For a country of this size, and as many diversified religions, we are amazing at keeping church and state seperated. There will ALWAYS be debate about certain things. The fact of the matter is that America is AMAZING in that it gives anyone the freedom to practice whatever they like (look at Wiccas
), wherever they like, however they like (as long as it doenst break laws). In the histroy of the world I do not think there has been a more tolerant and diversified nation. Our money might say "In God We Trust" but this was taken as a national motto back in the days when it was understood that 99% of the people in America believed in one god. Well, that might have changed a bit but I am sure most people now take "God" represents whoever your highest power may be. The best thing is, the government does not tell you who your "God" should be.

Its quite amazing.

-Xe
 

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hello to all,this country is going to hell in a fishnet.thats right our money is the only money in the world that says"in GOD we trust". next they will want to take that off the money.when i say they i mean people that say god doesnt exist,stupid people etc. most likely when a person that doesnt believe in a supreme being starts believeing right before he dies.i bet you every soilder in the middle east will believe in GOD when those missles and bullets start flying! the idiots are already trying to stop the pledge of allegiance!thats sad,but thats just my opinion!
 

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i bet you every soilder in the middle east will believe in GOD when those missles and bullets start flying! the idiots are already trying to stop the pledge of allegiance!thats sad,but thats just my opinion!
are you trying to say that US soldiers as will as iraqi soldiers do not believe in god? because if you are, i think you'd better restate what you said.....im a soldier, i'm also a catholic....so telling me that i don't believe in God is a crock! as for the iraqi soldiers, they do believe in God, but their God is known as Allah
 

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hey spikey i didnt mean that every soilder doesnt believe in GOD, some probally dont ,must do!my dad served in vietnam us marines also.my youngest brother is in the army right now soon to be deployed to the middle east,some of my freinds are already over there. my dad didnt believe in GOD but as soon as that vietcongs grenade went off he cried out to jesus. so i hope that corrected the misunderstanding ,hoorah,semper fi
 

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Actually the majority of the founding fathers were agnostic. Thomas Jefferson for example. They believed that religious belief is no basis for making decisions in goverment and that is why the church is seperated from the state. A unique problem exists at my university because the original bill that forbids prayer in schools is directed at grade school through high school and does not apply to colleges, however cadets at millitary colleges have to sit through a prayer before every meal, which are mandatory by the way. 3 cadets contacted the ACLU and sued VMI for this. The Supreme Court found VMI in violation of the Consititution. The same prayer is still being practiced at the Citadel. The conflict of interests exist when you are surrounded by 90 percent christians and you dont bow your head to a prayer they immediately assume you are less of a person, which creates an unjust bias because you do not share the same views as them. Frequently the prayers have been about jesus, which is just a complete violation of the constitution. Another example is the academys habit of forcing freshman to memorize and recite the cadet prayer which was recently terminated this year. I really do not mind the prayer, but never the less it is against the foundations that this country was forged.
 

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red devils red said:
hello to all,this country is going to hell in a fishnet.thats right our money is the only money in the world that says"in GOD we trust". next they will want to take that off the money.when i say they i mean people that say god doesnt exist,stupid people etc. most likely when a person that doesnt believe in a supreme being starts believeing right before he dies.i bet you every soilder in the middle east will believe in GOD when those missles and bullets start flying! the idiots are already trying to stop the pledge of allegiance!thats sad,but thats just my opinion!
Why do you believe people to be stupid if they do not believe in God? Nate had a legitamate debate going about seperation of church and state then some over zealous person, that means you, had to go and make it all go to crap.
The FACT of the matter is that religion is a belief, not a fact. It is not tangible, you cannot touch it, it's an entity. I happen to believe in God and accept Christ as my savior but who the hell are you to judge others. I infact do not go to church because I do not agree with how church likes to seperate and segregate others on their differences of belief, or claim that they are somehow holyer than thou. That just doesn't seem very loving and accepting, and i'll be dammed if I sit with a bunch of hypocrites. So hows about this, since your so smart, prove to the rest of the dumb people out there that there's a God. It's the believers who must prove, those who do not believe have no need to do so. Feel free not to respond and try to keep a shred of dignity. You are a very ignorant person.

Joe
 

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while you are busy sitting down for the pledge you can think of a place to visit. Maybe if you visit a place that is a dictorship you might appreciate the freedoms that you have but don't appreciate. Good thing a war veteran didn't see that, I"m sure it would make him feel bad to see someone show such disrespect for a country that he fought for and a bunch of his friends died for. I have a 100% disabled vietnam vet dad, maybe that is why I have so much more respect than you do. Next time you show such flagrant disrepect for your country try to think how many millions have died for you to have these freedoms.
 

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now now Joe, dont fall into the trap.

I guess I just find it rediculous for our government to fire a teacher that answered a students question as to what happens when somebody dies. The teacher believed in heaven and hell and told them her belief. Then the same government uses God when they see it fit. Incase you havent caught on I have many greivences and complaints about our government and its policies. However I would rather be American than anything else, just wish their was something to get rid of all the crook politicans and the politicians who just do things to get votes. Those guys need to be themselves and maybe government could accomplish something.
 

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It is pretty ridiculous to say someone is stupid if they do not believe in God considering their is no evidence that there even is a God yet we can clearly see the evolution of life on earth from microbes. What is more likely? That a magic man exists who has the power to make bunnies appear out of thin air? or that that we are only one outcome of the limitless possibilities the universe has created. I assume that since you believe earth was created by god that the entire universe also revolves around earth. The fact of the matter is, there is much more substatial and logically evidence to support the bible as a prehistoric deterent from criminal behaviour. Local militia was very small and having to watch over everyone was almost impossible, so the bible was created to place fear in the heart of man. They would obey and live by its laws or face the judgement of god. They essentially made the people self correcting and created a system of personal accountability for ones own actions. This is what seperates humans from barbarians. The church eventually used the bible against the people. The catholic church created a society of powerful priests who could essential rule the minds of the followers of christ. The selling of indulgences is one clear example of the munipaltive nature of the bible. So remember that before you call people stupid. Maybe your the one who has been suckered all these years to provide the wealth for others.
 

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to all who wanna talk crap about my post,im not a christian,im not a preacher,im not a saint. i dont care if you believe in GOD or not.its real easy too talk crap over the internet,esp.when your talking on your mommas computer. ill keep posting what i want and keep on whining about it! if any stupid,opp's i said it again STUPID people wanna talk to me like a man use the E_MAIL or call me or i'll call you. why would i have to prove GOD exsist?just by you saying he doesnt proves that he does! and by the way heres alil somethin for all the SMART PEOPLE in the world"a smartman can teach nothing to the fool,but the fool can teach alot too the wiseman" nuff said
 

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red devils red said:
to all who wanna talk crap about my post,im not a christian,im not a preacher,im not a saint. i dont care if you believe in GOD or not.its real easy too talk crap over the internet,esp.when your talking on your mommas computer. ill keep posting what i want and keep on whining about it! if any stupid,opp's i said it again STUPID people wanna talk to me like a man use the E_MAIL or call me or i'll call you. why would i have to prove GOD exsist?just by you saying he doesnt proves that he does! and by the way heres alil somethin for all the SMART PEOPLE in the world"a smartman can teach nothing to the fool,but the fool can teach alot too the wiseman" nuff said
Wow you are even more of a moron than I thought. I am by no means an internet-tough guy either. Hiding behind a computer is cowardice. I would say anything I say here to your face
It amazes me how different your second post is as compared to the first. You did seem quite the preacher and now you changed your tune all up.

Joe

ps Nate I won't get all sucked up into it. His post says enough about himself. No need for me to elaborate on it.
 

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get off of nates nuttsack,are you lookin for a freind or what? im just gettin on the defensive since somebody wants to play games with me! if i did sound like i was preaching i guess i hit a nerve huh? you having flashbacks from the father molesting you r what?
 
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