[Xenon]

Since Nate did not allow us the benefit of dicsussing his "sexing" poll, only providing the information he wanted to get out and closing the topic, I have provided this thread as the topic for dicussion.

In reading Franks website and others I thought I saw that it states not ALL are sexually dimorphic?!?!?! I talked to Frank about this and he told me that possibly one in genus Pristobrycon and one species in genus Pygopristis are dimorphic? Where did you get that info that ALL piranhas are??!! Im confused.

 

[Sir Nathan XXI]

I didnt want to start another debate, thats why I made it vote only.

I am only talking about Natts on my website and poll.

On one of Franks pages he lists very similar methods to sex reds as well.

 

[Xenon]

If it would be for voting only why would you present one side of a case and ask someone to make an educated decision!?!?! That doesnt seem like the way its supposed to work. Maybe thats how it works in SuperNate world, but not everyone elses.

That poll reminds me of a little kid when he gets his word in then covers his ears so he cant hear anyone else. Disgusting.

 

[Sir Nathan XXI]

I said science determined them to be sexually dimorphic, but I am asking whether people think it is possible with my method is what I am really asking

 

[bobme]

im sorry but i realy got confused in nate's polls :sad:

 

[Xenon]

That poll reminds me of a little kid when he gets his word in then covers his ears so he cant hear anyone else. Disgusting.

If someone doesnt know any better of course they will think "your way" makes sense. Nobody else is allowed to present a differing opinion! I hope your poll wins so you can puff out your chest and shake your fists in the air and yell "I told you Frank! I can do it!". Everyone says I can. Well good for you, Sir Nate.

 

[Xenon]

im sorry but i realy got confused in nate's polls :sad:

Because it is pointless and is only there to puff up his own ego. It adds absolutely no value to this board or the discussion of the subject.

 

[Sir Nathan XXI]

do you think it is possible to sex Nattereri, that what I want to know your opinion.

 

[Sir Nathan XXI]

wtf Mike that is not what my poll is about, I just dont want another drawn out debate, whats your beef man?

you are not understanding what I set out to accomplish, its not about bragging rights, I just want to see what everybody thinks, how can I explain the science view other than a bunch of them determined its not possible. For people who dont know about the hobbist method I provided a link so they can see what I mean by that

 

[Xenon]

do you think it is possible to sex Nattereri, that what I want to know your opinion.

I dont know. I have never claimed to be an expert, scientist, etc, etc. The question at hand is not the issue. The way you went about doing it (with a poll where nobody can reply) is bitch. Plain and simple. Everyone here knows I tell it like it is.

 

[Xenon]

By reading all your other posts on this board I realize this will go nowhere so I am going to bow out of this pissing match. I hope you win your "poll". After you win you should save the URL (I will host it for free) then whenever someone asks you a question you can provide the link to their awe and amazement. Maybe you can pick up chicks that way....

Who knows?

/* Insert SIR Nates "last word" here.

 

[Sir Nathan XXI]

would you like to delete it and make another with open posts? If so let me know I will post it again open topic, however I was trying to avoid arguments, but if thats what you want so be it. I will just not respond to the threads, I am not going to trouble myself anymore with that BS

 

[mdemers883]

I really don't want to involve myself in the discussion, but I really don't feel that you can tell the sex of natt's by just looking at them and judging by behavior. I have no clue why you started that poll Nate, from what I started reading early yesterday it seemed like you were going to change for the better. It would be a good idea I think, it seems like you are running out of boards to post at really fast, looks like your welcome is starting to dwindle. Maybe u will turn over a new leaf, I have no clue.

Mark

 

[hastatus]

On one of Franks pages he lists very similar methods to sex reds as well.

Actually no, they are written by people (including H.R. Axelrod, who got the information 2nd hand) who had breeding piranas. If you would expend as much time reading the article than expounding on it, you would comprehend that P. nattereri when kept in home tanks do show some variations of color and pre-spawning behavior, but that alone does NOT indicate a pair. That is something I have repeatedly said and you have trouble absorbing it in your mind. I have also stated that visual inspection alone does NOT confirm sexual dimorphism. And while on this portion of topic, piranas generally are not sexually dimorphic (so that you can understand in very simple terms; they exhibit no outward sexual characteristics). As Xenon stated from me, only one species in Pristobrycon maybe be sexually dimorphic (anal fin) and the single species in Pygopristis is dimorphic (anal fin). The rest as usual is simply in your own biased opinions supported by your own large ego and lack of comprehension.

 

[mdemers883]

Also if you believe you can do what you say you can (sexing natts) then write up a paper on it and let it go under review of science. It seems that you are sure of yourself and won't let anyone tell you otherwise, then just publish your facts and see if you can prove scinence wrong. Just an idea.

Mark

 

[Xenon]

Also if you believe you can do what you say you can (sexing natts) then write up a paper on it and let it go under review of science. It seems that you are sure of yourself and won't let anyone tell you otherwise, then just publish your facts and see if you can prove scinence wrong. Just an idea.

Mark

AMEN!

 

[Genin]

I sexed myself earlier

 

[Genin]

on a serious note, this debate is old and gone. lets not bring it back up and get this argument going again...please. nate has devised a system that seems to work for HIS tank and HIS fish. like Mark said if you believe it is truly valid than go and publish it. everyone will take you more serious if you prove yourself. if you know it doesn't work than stop debating it nate and bringing it back up. it seems to upset everyone.

Joe

 

[Sir Nathan XXI]

I give up trying to have peaceful means of avoiding blown out arguements, nobdy here can accept others opinions without harassment, I just will keep my thoughts to myself on topics which I have a differing opinion from now on.

 

[Genin]

that shouldn't be the case nate, when it's opinion based. the problem is that more and more people are now citing scientific theories and case studies that for the most part have been proven true, as to where you are meantioning heresay and observations. i am serious that you should publish the sexing info and get it tested to see if you are right. if you are then that's awesome and if you aren't well that doesn't matter you were just wrong. i am wrong a lot and it's fine as long as you admit it.

Joe