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I now have four more red bellies that around pretty much exactly the same size as the rest of mine(great pick up) and another little red belly that I plan to take down to work and set up a tank(just a thought so far). The guy I bought them from said he used to pet them when they were smaller. I found this hard to believe not seeing piecing of his hand permanently scarred or missing. Oh well...we all have our own form of fish stories.