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not bichirs though will require a minimum of 60g.
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thats not true.the senegal bichir(dino eel) which i personaly own only get 12", which IMO can be in the 20L i currently have, but wit bichir fanactics say a 30 will cut it.
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are you f*cking retarded? you're the same person that keeps a black ghost knife in a 20g, you're the same person that thinks it's okay to put a clown knife in a 45 gallon hex. i'm honestly tired of you giving out horribly inaccurate housing information. NO, a full grown polypterus senegalus will not be healthy in a 20g tank. this is a 12" fish, not some f*cking guppy or cardinal tetra. not only are polypterus fairly active, but putting any 12" predator in a 20gallon is utterly ridiculous. quit going around telling people that they can put large fish into tiny ass tanks. i'm really sick of your posts. first you go around telling people that they're overstocking or overcrowding their tanks with fish that are too large. then you go and post that a potentially 3 ft clown knife is OKAY to put into a 45 gallon hex.
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the black ghost knife i returned cuz it would get to big, and i never would put a clown knife in a 45 hex, that was my parents and they had no clue they got that big. i personally never saw it(i wasnt born yet), but i wouldnt support it.u wanna argue and flame go to aquaticpreditors.com, there are sooooo many ppl there who are very dedicated to bichirs and they will tell u a 30 will cut it, i know cuz theve told me that.and juss so ya know, there has yet to be a case wit clown knives gittin 36" in aquaria, it is rare to see one over 24", and if i remember right the record is like 28". out in the wild they get lik 6foot
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i don't know where you're getting your info from. it seems like you're pulling it from your ass. rare to see a 24" clown knife in aquaria...yet i see a 2 foot clown knife at a fish store in the san fernando valley, with a ruler taped to the bottom of the display. and there are quite a few fish keepers on waterwolves and other sites that have clown knives nearing 2 feet. and where in the f*ck did you get the ridiculous idea that clown knives grow to 6 feet in the wild? either you googled up some bullshit, or you just have no clue what the f*ck you're talking about.

but those facts aside, you're trying to throw in numbers to make it seem like it matters. you condoned your parents keeping a ck in a 45.

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m not gunna get one even though i dont agree in ur tank sizes, my parents used to have on in a 45 high, i alredy gittin have a black ghostknife(for my 20 community tank), and i dont think there aggressive enuf for me thumb.gif
if that's not agreeing with your parents idea of adequate housing, then i don't know what is.

here you go, since you think

polypterus senegalus care sheet and tank size
another link for you study
Adult Size: 12" (28.8 cm)
Temp: 75-80 F (23-26 C)
Tank: 48" (120 cm) minimum
anyhow, i think you get the point. and the last time i checked, 60 gallon tanks were 48" in length.
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well now im not saying this is right but the info i gave u on clown knives was from TFH magazine, and at aqauticpredators.com there is ppl there that have over 50 years experience with bichirs, and they told me that a 30, which is a 36" tank would suffice.IMO i see no reason a 12" needs 48", maybe cuz its really active but with my experience with myn they arnt really that active.I think we gotta agree to disagree.
 

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when you can find me a picture of a 6 foot clown knife, or a scanned magazine article, a web article, ANYTHING that says that clown knives grow to 6 ft, i will believe you. and why would a 12" fish need a 48" tank? that's like asking why a 2 ft arowana would need a 200+ gallon tank. use your head. i see that it's pretty useless to argue with you, so i'll leave it at that.
 

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when you can find me a picture of a 6 foot clown knife, or a scanned magazine article, a web article, ANYTHING that says that clown knives grow to 6 ft, i will believe you. and why would a 12" fish need a 48" tank? that's like asking why a 2 ft arowana would need a 200+ gallon tank. use your head. i see that it's pretty useless to argue with you, so i'll leave it at that.
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ok i juss went and looked at the article and it said they get 4"m i guess i remebered it differntly.but i did also say that the maximum they could get in aquarium would be 28"
 

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maybe it'll kill and eat weenie tankmates
 

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Tibs I think the reason you think sennegal birchirs are inactive is becasue they are mostly nocturnal. Mine sits around doing nothing all day and then as soon as the tank light is off he doesnt stop moving. And i do have to agree with hyphon about how you dont have a clue about tank sizes, i mean wasnt it you that thinks that 3 oscars and some plecs will be ok in a 38 gal?
 

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well now im not saying this is right but the info i gave u on clown knives was from TFH magazine, and at aqauticpredators.com there is ppl there that have over 50 years experience with bichirs, and they told me that a 30, which is a 36" tank would suffice.IMO i see no reason a 12" needs 48", maybe cuz its really active but with my experience with myn they arnt really that active.I think we gotta agree to disagree.
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here is what you were told

30 gallons in the absolute bare minimum, as in it can fit in there, and turn around. However, I would say nothing less than a 40 gallon breeder for an adult senegal. Also, a senegal could very likely stay in a 20 for more than 4 months, I've had my baby senegals for about 8 months, got them at about 2", and now they're only about 5", and have more than enough room.
what he is saying is that the fish could live in it, but it would not be happy
 

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frontosas aren't small
 

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Firemouth Cichlid - 1 breeding pair per 30g


Convict Cichlid - 1 breeding pair per 20g


Honduran Red Point Cichlid - 1 breeding pair per 20g


Dwarf Snakehead [channa gachua is the smallest]


Dwarf Pike Cichlids


Archer Fish [brackish]


African Butterfly Fish


Salvini Cichlid
 

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How about any of the shell dwelling African cichlids?

Neolamprologus boulengeri
Neolamprologus brevis*
Neolamprologus calliurus
Neolamprologus hecqui
Neolamprologus multifasciatus*
Neolamprologus similus*
Lamprologus callipterus
Lamprologus caudopunctatus (Shell-Spawner)*
Lamprologus kungweensis
Lamprologus meleagris*
Lamprologus occelatus*
Lamprologus ornatipinnis*
Lamprologus signatus*
Lamprologus speciosus*

*denotes types suitable for tanks as small as 10 gallons.

(list taken from here)

Also... Neolamprologus brichardi?
 

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Good stuff. Needs some cleaning up before pinning though.

Also, that isn't a kribensis in the first set of pics, I think it's a Julidochromis (or other Tanganyikan)
 

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Also, non-p doesn't have to be limited to serious predators. Brief mention of bettas/poeciliids/etc doesn't hurt. Many of them have complex behavior worth watching.
 

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Did someone already mention paradise fish, then?

Even some gouramis can be quite aggressive if you watch them.

Heck... I've seen flying foxes attack and kill other fish.
 

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okay, i think it's organized...any other fish suggestions will be thrown in
 

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what about exodons? also these arnt predatory but spiney eels are really kick ass, and some of the smaller species would be ok
 
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