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Choice: Either they (terrorists) are free to speak, and kill, and you are free to die, or we take precautions and temper free speach some, in order for us to live.

If you support the terrorists, then taking precautions is bad I guess.
 

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Didn't watch the vid. But I don't need to, to know that a lot of America is fascist.

And it comes from both sides the liberals as well as the conservatives.
Everyone wants you to agree with them and condemn you if you think differently.
Our whole political governing body is based on Fascism at its roots. Either you think like group A or you think like group B. And the people that follow these guidelines tend to assume your own thought process based on your group.

But then I think everyone tends to be a little fascist in their own way. I sure as hell know I am. I think the world would be a much better place if people all thought like I do. Or like one ideal because at least then there would be unified progress towards unified goals. instead of people running everyway to find their own means and stepping on each others toes.
But like most ideologies they only work well on paper.
 

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Fascism isn't the same thing as loyalty to party lines or idealogies. Fascism is more based upon a society that is;

1) Corporatist
2) Millitaristic
3) Nationalistic

and typically justifies actions through claims of being victimized (for example, the germans built up a millitary on the basis that they'd been victimized by the french, they invaded the Sudetenland to liberate the victimized german minority, they had to consolidate political power because they were being victimized by the communists, and such).
 

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Fascism isn't the same thing as loyalty to party lines or idealogies. Fascism is more based upon a society that is;

1) Corporatist
2) Millitaristic
3) Nationalistic

and typically justifies actions through claims of being victimized (for example, the germans built up a millitary on the basis that they'd been victimized by the french, they invaded the Sudetenland to liberate the victimized german minority, they had to consolidate political power because they were being victimized by the communists, and such).
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
 

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Psh, well if you're going to cheat and not go off the top of your head


More or less what I was alluding to anyway. That's where I see some fascist tendencies, not "Bush wants to take over the world so he's like, a nazi and a fascist" which isn't really an accurate representation of fascism anyway
 

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Psh, well if you're going to cheat and not go off the top of your head


More or less what I was alluding to anyway. That's where I see some fascist tendencies, not "Bush wants to take over the world so he's like, a nazi and a fascist" which isn't really an accurate representation of fascism anyway
The source pretty much confirms what you were getting at; that's why I posted it. Many govts have fascist tendencies, but this doesn't make them truly fascist. In our govt,'s case, the close ties to corporatism, corruption/crontism, corporate control of the media, and the disdain for labor rights all show fascist tendencies, but it's not a pure fascism as was the case in Germany or Italy.
 

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Choice: Either they (terrorists) are free to speak, and kill, and you are free to die, or we take precautions and temper free speach some, in order for us to live.

If you support the terrorists, then taking precautions is bad I guess.
It is one thing to take precautions, but to revoke the very freedoms your soldiers are dying to protect... is that not the definition of irony?
 
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