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Posted 12 July 2003 - 12:49 PM (#1) User is offline   Innes 

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I hate painted fish - the fish are quite nice themselves, but of course they never asked to be painted, I much prefer "natural" indian glassfish and other fish that are sometimes dyed like albino corys and stuff.

Here in the UK it seems these fish are now rare as many fish shop owners will refuse to stock these fish.

The reason is these "painted" fish are put through horrible treatment to "paint" them in such a way.

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Dr Stan MacMahon and Dr Peter Burgess explain the damage done to fish when they are barbarically injected with dye.

Some fishkeepers, and possibly even a few traders, may be puzzled as to why so much fuss has been made about dyed fish. On the face of it, the practice of dyeing or “painting” the fish seems fairly innocuous and the artificially dyed specimens are certainly very eye-catching in their various “day-glo” colours. So why push for a voluntary ban on selling them? Our investigations have revealed the truth behind the dyed fish saga.

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Our first encounter with dyed fish was back in the late 1980’s. Thousands of artificially coloured glassfish, Parambassis ranga (formerly Chanda ranga) were imported into the UK.

The glassfish, so named because of its naturally semi-transparent body, obviously makes it an ideal subject for “painting”.

They were seen with fluorescent shades of either blue, purple, red, yellow, orange or green produced by dyes.

They were (and still are) imported under the names “painted glassfish” or “disco fish” (presumably because their almost fluorescent colours resemble discotheque lights).

How is the dye applied?
Intrigued as to how the dye was applied we decided to carry out a little research. A few coloured glassfish were sedated in MS222 anaesthetic and observed under a binocular microscope. It became apparent that the dye is not on the surface of the fish, but lay under the epidermis.

Furthermore, the dye appeared fluid and could be moved slightly by gently squeezing the coloured area.

This suggested that it must have been injected into the fish at various sites over the body in order to form the distinctive colour patterns. Our fears were confirmed a few years later when we were shown photographs of the colouring process, revealing that each fish is individually injected using a syringe and needle.

The practice of dye injection is undertaken by fish farmers in some regions of Asia (but not Singapore as far as we know). Clearly, the common name “painted glassfish” is a cruelly misleading description.

If one considers the relative bore size of the injection needle with that of a glassfish, it would be the equivalent of us receiving several jabs using a needle of pencil-sized diameter - not a pleasant thought.

As experienced fish scientists, we would never dream of injecting fish of such small size. No wonder the injection process is alleged to cause high mortalities.

Increasing the risk of disease...
A survey which we carried out in the south of England revealed that over 40% of painted glassfish appeared to be suffering from lymphocystis virus. This disease manifests itself as a small whitish growths on the fish’s body and fins.

An examination of the white growths under the powerful electron microscope confirmed our diagnosis. In contrast, less than 10% of the natural (unpainted) glassfish had lymphocystis.

It is possible that the injection process increases the risk of this disease, perhaps by transmitting the virus from fish to fish via the needle (the same needle is used to inject tens or even hundreds of fish).

Alternatively, the stress of being injected with the dye may lower the fish’s natural immunity to lymphocystis. It must be said that, in our experience, those glassfish which survive the injection process go on to live fairly normal lives, despite the gaudy dyes present within their bodies. In time, the dye fades.

Moral issue
Many people believe that fish do not feel pain and so injecting them with dyes is perfectly acceptable. In fact, increasing scientific evidence suggests that fish are indeed capable of feeling pain, though we have no way of telling whether they perceive painful events in the same way as we do.

So dye injection is likely to be a painful experience for the poor glassfish. In fairness, many traders and hobbyists were mislead, just as we first were, into thinking that these fish were simply painted with the dye.
Now that the truth is out, it’s time to stop this cruel practice, once and for all.

Other species which are sometimes dyed
Glassfish are not the only species which are subjected to artificial colouring.

Many types of albino fish also make ideal “white cavasses” for colouring. We have observed the following artificially coloured fish in the UK, and suspect there may be others.

Albino versions of Corydoras catfish, such as aeneus; Tiger barbs; Albino Epalzeorhynchus (formerly Labeo) such as the Red-finned shark; Black widow tetras; Rams and some Botia species.

Typically these exhibit red or blue on part of the body, but the dyes are not as bright or gaudy as those used to inject glassfish.

Fish which have pale or semi-transparent bodies such as the glassfish, Kryptoterus, also suffer.



The PFK Ban Dyed Fish Campaign

Practical Fishkeeping ran an award-winning campaign which started in 1996 and asked aquatic retailers to sign a pledge that they would not sell dyed fish. The majority of British retailers signed up and dyed fish are now relatively uncommon in the UK.

This article was first published in the March 1998 issue of Practical Fishkeeping.



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interesting..around my areas fish color dye is very popular with people..some fish look gorgeous to say..like a emerald green oscar..not natural but damn it look sweet..
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Wow, I say one comment to you on AIM and you post a novel about it. Sheesh! They are pretty colored fish though. Besides how are you to tell which ones are artificial and which ones arent?
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Wow, I say one comment to you on AIM and you post a novel about it.  Sheesh!  They are pretty colored fish though. Besides how are you to tell which ones are artificial and which ones arent?

all painted fish are artificial

Say it aint so :bowdown:
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Say it aint so  :rockon:

yeah, so if you want bright fish go for the natural ones like neons/cardinals/bettas/plattys/marine fish/discus and all of the non-dyed ones - their is plenty of choice and your tank can still look great and colourfull :bowdown:

I guess... :laugh2: ...but I still like a good ol' painted glass fish  :laugh:
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erm painted fish is animal cruelty if u ask me :laugh2:
should be banned. i mean how would u feel if somone pumped yer body full of paint :bowdown:
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Great thread Innes. Hopefully the more the word gets out, the less and less people will buy them and this heinous practice will stop. :bowdown:

Maybe you could make it a sticky for a while?

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i dont care if you make it a sticky, your the moderator of this forum.
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k innes I will never buy a paint fish

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like duh!!!!!!
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I just think they look stupid in the first place. I'm into the natural setup of things and seeing a neon fish swimming around would look retarted

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I can't believe that they are all individually injected by hand, yet they sell so cheap. I think a painted glass fish cost around $1.50 @ my local wal-mart.

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thats crazee, i never thought people could even do that stuff, and to think i was goign to fill a 10 gallon with those a week or two ago :suspect:

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They're nice fish... alot of work to try and inject a good amount. But for what those fish go through and only sold for less than $2 is plain mean.
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they could be sold for $30 each, and it doesn't make it any better :rockon:
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please no one buy painted glass fish and all other artificially dye injected fish, this process is extremely harmful to the wellbeing of the fish injected and is cruel :rockon: . Please think of the fish. DO not support this cruelty. I only buy true colored fish.

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for all of you that feel this is cruelty to animal, please don't buy or keep any fish in your aquarium at all. confining them to such a small area as compare to their natural habit is even more cruelty.

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for all of you that feel this is cruelty to animal, please don't buy or keep any fish in your aquarium at all. confining them to such a small area as compare to their natural habit is even more cruelty.

heck some fishes if u give em a nice tank its not even the least bit animal cruelty at all on the point u referr to.
some fishes live in small ditches. and some in very tiny ponds that could be like water puddles.

and as Innes said its not cruelty at the same level.
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piranhasaurus, on Jul 14 2003, 03:51 PM, said:

for all of you that feel this is cruelty to animal, please don't buy or keep any fish in your aquarium at all. confining them to such a small area as compare to their natural habit is even more cruelty.

True, but if given the right owner they also don't have to worry about dieing like they do in the wild. That's a plus, imo.

I understand your point nonetheless tho and see where you are coming from. I just don't agree with your argument here as far as what is cruelty. :smile:

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