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Posted 25 January 2010 - 05:38 PM (#1) User is offline   Ęgir 

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Ironically, i built this system about 3 months before i started my project and it too is being shut down due to lack of time. It was setup to be extremely simple, and use existing equipment to save money (they had spent enough already). The homeowners had this setup by (not going to drop names just incase) somebody locally 2 years before i started. The person set it up using baskets of filter floss, and sponges in the sump, no RO water, on and on.... broke almost every rule. The system would run great for about 3 months, then nuke itself from crap buildup... long story short, after flushing several thousand dollars down the toilet they lost interest and shut it down. This was a really nice and eunique tank... its custom built to sit beside the fireplace in what used to be a planter. The dimensons arent ideal... its like 7' long, 30" tall and only 10" deep (approx) with a single overflow.

This was in my learning stages of SW when i had my 55gal, and after walking into the basement, where the sump is located... i could pick out 10 problems and explained to the owner what was going on. I threw it out there, that i would take on the project and that i could prove their system wasnt "haunted" or impossible to run. We removed everything (Including the clear tubing returns with NO siphon prevention... they drained the tank 4 or 5 times TOTALLY into the basement and the dipshit installer didnt catch it)

So i came in and tore EVERYTHING out, removed the tank, replaced the bulkheads and HARDLINED everything in with SCH 40 and lots of glue. Revamped the sump layout, added some baffles and a refugium above the sump. Modded the skimmer which wasnt ideal (Berlin turbo) but better than nothing.... And beefed up the return pump (the existing one was pushing 80 or 90 gph after head loss on a 220+ gal system hahaha) I also built a "wet dry tower" using a 3 drawer rubbermaid organizer.

Heres some pics i took, because they are selling the tanks locally... i took the fish (see the 155 bowfront topic for a vid) and the rock is going to a friend who is letting me build YET another system in his office...

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Basement sump...
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2" drain and manifold with DOUBLE overflow prevention... one return is on the bottom of the tank so
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With flash, the drip tower is full of rock rubble and bio balls to fill the viods
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Simple manifold, the plumbing runs 8' to the left, and then up about 5'. Was hard to drop the tank in and glue everything!
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The system ran problem free for over 2 years, and only one or 2 fish losses (due to undulated trigger, not water quality!) But the owners have had enough.. and dont have much free time now.

Just thought i would share! If you have any questions, just ask!
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:27 PM (#2) User is offline   His Majesty 

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quite the SW building guru you have become lol

well done on fixing the setup into an easy to run and pleasent looking aquarium :blink: we need more people like you in the hobby

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 08:15 PM (#3) User is offline   Ęgir 

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View PostHis Majesty, on Jan 27 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

quite the SW building guru you have become lol

well done on fixing the setup into an easy to run and pleasent looking aquarium :jmax: we need more people like you in the hobby


Thanks man :rockon:

Its kinda funny, never in my wildest dreams did i imagine i would pack in 250 gals of RO/DI water from the driveway to the tank (would have taken months with their RO/DI system) and then pack out 60-80 gals, and a couple hundred lbs of rock back to my truck 2 years later. I even packed 3 full buckets of sand (2 black for the other tank, one white for my new DDSB... thats double deep) that had to be 75+lbs each... My truck wasnt loosing traction in the snow for sure!

Today i drained the tank, took the rock and as much water as possible across town to the 3rd install i am doing... an office 150 gal

I will get some pics of that once its full of water (a week or so)

I also scored a 25w Aqua UV system (needs a new bulb 50$, but is 250$ new so i can justify that....) some salt, and other things for myself... which is nice.

Tomorrow i go back with the sawzall and lift out the display and pack it all to the garage... going to suck!
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i really envy the fact that you get to do so many SW setup projets. its a great way to build experience and learn new techniques and methods. all i have to work with are my own two SW tanks. keep up the good work. i look forward to the updated pics of the 150 office tank :lol:

 CuzIsaidSo, on 25 May 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 06:03 PM (#5) User is offline   Ęgir 

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View PostHis Majesty, on Jan 28 2010, 02:34 PM, said:

i really envy the fact that you get to do so many SW setup projets. its a great way to build experience and learn new techniques and methods. all i have to work with are my own two SW tanks. keep up the good work. i look forward to the updated pics of the 150 office tank :wub:


I wouldnt envy the work, but the experience is amazing all around.

example: Today, myself and the home owner packed out the tank (79x11x30) that is 15mm thick (3/5 of an inch) and prob a thicker bottom... i would estimate it weighs over 400 lbs. The trick is... the tank drops 3" down into the brick mantle and all the plumbing runs 8' horizontal, 3' down into a concrete access hole in the concrete slab, 3 more feet horizontal, then down another foot to reach the access hole (12x12" maybe, you can see on the top left of the manifold?) anyways... by the time we got the tank jacked up enough to fit a sawzall blade in to cut the plumbing, we had already busted 2 of the 4 connections right at the bulkhead (lucky not the tank) but it was easier than making the glued connections when i put it in for sure!

took 3.5 hours to remove the plumbing starting at the basement end, and then packing the 3 tanks out... everything was dry from yesterday (manually removing all the rock, sand, and a buttload of water by the 5 gal bucket... then carrying it to my truck) and it was still a PITA

So i have had an action packed 2 days... and made no money (but several hundred dollars in freebies) If the tank and stuff sells, i get part of that.

For that display, sump tanks, return pump, skimmer, lighting etc... i think its worth the 500$ i posted it for, dont you? Hopefully somebody wants an odd dimension tank....

I actually just got ahold of my new tank too, its a Marineland 120H (60x18x26 i think?) with a single end overflow drilled... I hate where its placed, so i will prob turn the 2" drain into a closed loop intake and then turn the back panel into swiss cheese ;)

I really like the Oceans Motions 8 way... talk about a fun plumbing project! Click Only not over the top... or have like 2 over the top in the front corners?

Anyways man, thanks again... :brow:
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for what your selling $500 is a good deal. im sure someone will take it

congrats on the new tank. although all this pluming sh*t sounds over complicated to me. but i suppose it depends how your setting it up. you usally have the sump, skimmer and all the quipemtns out of side in another room to the main display tank.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 07:04 PM (#7) User is offline   Ęgir 

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View PostHis Majesty, on Jan 29 2010, 02:51 AM, said:

for what your selling $500 is a good deal. im sure someone will take it

congrats on the new tank. although all this pluming sh*t sounds over complicated to me. but i suppose it depends how your setting it up. you usally have the sump, skimmer and all the quipemtns out of side in another room to the main display tank.


Yeah, just because its easier... i could have all my equipment (skimmer, phosban and carbon reactors etc) in my sump, which would be the same as in a stand. And i could baffle off a section for my fuge/dsb in my sump (more than enough room!) but for the sake of making things like cleaning easier, i have them out. and the volume increase of the external fuge is kinda a plus.

The reason i like complicated plumbing projects is the ability to fine tune anything i need down the road... if i change my rock and need more flow in one area i just open the ball valve. The reason i want to do a closed loop, is NO powerheads in the display (maybe a MP40W) and random, VIOLENT flow. I wont have ANY sand in my 120 either... all in the fuge under the tank. I can only open my manifold 2/3 open on any port, and then a sand-storm whites out the tank. It prob woundt be like that if my penductors (eductors, "flow boosters" whatever you want to call them) werent at the top of my tank pointed across or down, (rather have them on the bottom facing up, and back of the tank near the bottom) and the randomness of the Oceans motions is more, well like the motion of the ocean (wow ya dont say!... hahahah)

My 120H, and the office 150 will be "in stand" for the most part (topoff bins?) so we will see how they turn out. I found some Precision Marine in sump skimmers i really like, and will get to demo one on the office build (its in his budget range) or also would like to try a cone skimmer (ATB?) if i can afford it. I will not be running my external PM power hog, despite how much i love it, i dont want to pay for the power myself :lol:
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Excellent job on the tank man!! :lol: Dimensions are certainly strange for a long tank like that.

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Alright... Before i left town for a few weeks, this is where i was at with my most recent install. Its a 150 gal tank, with custom cabinets and a sink. Under the stand is 2 40 gal tanks, one is a DSB / fuge, and the other is a skimmer and live rock compartment. The tank is located in a office of a family friend. He took the rock from the first install in this thread, and about 200 gals of water from my system.

I will post lots more pics when i get back and fire up the system completely.

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Note the water level is about the bottom of the overflow box, it has 3 1" drains (2 main, 1 spare)
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Sweet under actinic!
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In the future, this will become a full reef if he likes the saltwater thing... i am planning to do 3 hanging pendants from the ceiling to keep it clean and have no canopy or wires above the tank.

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Guess im setting up the 155 bow for the new owner... Check out the order we made today :rockon:

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This is just the preliminary order to get it cycling... this guy is off the hook, and i cant wait to set this system up! He also got a 150GPD RO/DI unit, and some other toys. Also got 300lbs of marco rock, and i guess he paid for 2nd day air on the MD order? hahahah... wow this is awesome


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Yeah... thats 420lbs of sand, and a couple hundred lbs in salt... FREE SHIPPING

His UPS guy is going to hate him :lmao:



Potental setup ideas are a 360deg walk around with equipment behind the tank...

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Or (the one i like) is along a wall, 2 displays (low flow fuge and clown tank on bottom) and using a large rubbermaid sump.

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My baby lives on, and is getting a high tech face lift... I will update this in 4 or 5 days when i get home, and make the drive to his house.

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that 360 walk around with equipment showing if done well and kept clean and neat would be a kickass setup and definetly something different. i say go for that :bowdown:

 CuzIsaidSo, on 25 May 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

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View PostHis Majesty, on Apr 12 2010, 03:28 PM, said:

that 360 walk around with equipment showing if done well and kept clean and neat would be a kickass setup and definetly something different. i say go for that :no:


He made the decision to go with it against the wall... Similar to the picture with the water barrels on the left of the display. Mainly because he wants 2 displays (over under) with a low flow fuge/DSB/ clown fish tank under... With it against the wall we can use a 150 gal rubbermaid for a sump, and a Reeflo Dart to feed the entire system. I drew up the stand today, and am flying from denver to MT tomorrow at 2pm. I will prob make a trip up to his house (hour drive) and build the stand, get the tanks in and plumbed, and then filled with water and cycling... a few weeks later i can drive up again and check it out.

I was shocked he just bit the bullet and made a 2500$ order today, and all the sand and salt, and 300lbs of Marcorock, and a glass buffing kit to remove those scratches... He is going to have one hell of a first SW setup, and this is going to be one hell of a build for me... i get to try out and play with almost ALL the equipment i want for my next tank :rockon:

Just for fun, heres the sketches (poor quality pic sorry)

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Stand plan... has to be beefy to span the front with no center leg.

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ahh what a homo. with the 360 he still could have the two tanks showing. that was kinda the point

anyway his choice. looks forward to see the setup develop :rockon:

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View PostHis Majesty, on 13 April 2010 - 04:40 AM, said:

ahh what a homo. with the 360 he still could have the two tanks showing. that was kinda the point

anyway his choice. looks forward to see the setup develop <img src="https://www.piranha-fury.com/pfury/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="thumbsup.gif" />



Yeah, but with the 360 one he would be using the 125 as a sump (instead of a 150 rubbermaid)so you wouldnt really want to see it... When its against the wall, the 125 will become a DSB, and the system will have way more water so thats cool with me.

An update while im here:
I have been building the stand (will make a DIY topic, took lots of pics), and make the 1.5 hour drive to start the install tomorrow. The plan is water on Wednesday after the plumbing dries for a day.

Its going to be really difficult to tackle a few problems with this system: Because its in a detached garage, i have to fish CAT 5 (internet for controller) through a piece of conduit, a composite video cord to the projector, and find a water source to tap for RO/DI.

The Office tank is now running, with the skimmer (PM redline 200) and everything cycling... forgot my camera so i will get pics later

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Big day today... Made the drive to start the re-birth of the bowfront! I will let the pictures do the talking :lmao:

Building the stand (will make a DIY thread about making stands too!)
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To fit in the frame
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Makin sawdust!
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view on the drive up
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Stand, sump, skimmer in place
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Plumbing... my favorite!
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Toys! Brown box is the RKE controller and acc.
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Snapper hybrid pump (uses same impeller as a Dart, less power use)
Eggcrate in the sump to keep things from settling. (still need to trim it a little)
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Some plumbing laid out, RO/DI on wall
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And last but not least, the tanks...
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They are getting a face lift soon, and we are held up until the bowfront gets buffed out, a bulkhead in the 125, and i find a way to fit a durso in the overflows (have an idea)so... in 2 or 3 days, i will head back up. Would like to see water this weekend if everything goes smoothly.

I can honestly say, this build is so F'n fun...! :wootwoot:
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thanks for the update. the build is looing very organised. keep up the good work im sure its gonna look splendid when its finished

those tools and saws are they the new owners own little workshop or have you brought them with you?

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View PostHis Majesty, on 20 April 2010 - 03:35 AM, said:

thanks for the update. the build is looing very organised. keep up the good work im sure its gonna look splendid when its finished

those tools and saws are they the new owners own little workshop or have you brought them with you?


Thanks man, apparently you are the only one checking out this thread... The tools you see in the stand building pics is our shop. Where the tank is being setup (about 1.5 hours from my house) he only has a limited supply of tools. I built the stand here, and assembled it on site to make it easier and have access to a nice table saw, and miter saw. Then took some things like a skill saw, sawzall, etc to do the work i needed on site.

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oh i see. very nice.

it does seem that im the only checking the thread but please do keep updateing. i enjoy reading through it.

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Im trying to avoid the big saltwater jump, but everytime i see something like this it feels inevitable. Great Start Aegir
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View PostBa20, on 20 April 2010 - 11:10 PM, said:

Im trying to avoid the big saltwater jump, but everytime i see something like this it feels inevitable. Great Start Aegir


MAKE THE JUMP :coolpics2:

Thanks man! Stay tuned because its going to get better... Just from this project alone i will have a few DIY projects for the saltwater forum that are going to be cool.

I had to bring home a few manuals to start reading more about this stuff, and setting it up. The Reefkeeper elite controller, and new vortechs aren't something i have lots of hands on time with. But when it all comes together, its going to be sweet... Its giving me soooo many ideas for my next tank, and hopefully i can inspire some other people.
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