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what makes a fish illegal Piranhas, Arowanas, etc

Posted 30 October 2003 - 09:10 PM (#1) User is offline    

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What makes fishes illegal? The selling of Asian Arowanas in the US, the selling of P's in some states etc.

also i wanna know if arowanas are school fish or not. i saw a 3" silver arowana.. duno what species for cheap at my LFS

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 09:30 PM (#2) User is offline   crazyklown89 

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I dunno about asian arrowanas being illegal, but I do know that at most you could keep two silvers or something in like a 600g


and p's a banned in southern states because if a dumbass owner lets them go the warm water is a ideal for spawning and that could result in a disaster, ecologically speaking

and I'm pissed because New York is very cold and tehy're still illegal

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crazyklown89, on Oct 31 2003, 02:07 AM, said:

and I'm pissed because New York is very cold and tehy're still illegal

theyre not really illegal in ny, all u need is a permit..... ill admit i got mine illegally in ny cuz i didnt have a permit, but that was because i worked at petland discounts and had the hookup..... its funny how a dumbass can mistaken a pacu for a RBP. anyway, in ny all u need is a permit...... now can someone can tell me why p's are legal in tennessee and every state around it illegal....

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Piranhas in the Amazon are considered niusance to residents that live there. Areas with warth water climates can/would be able to let these guys kill off all other fish and multiply steeply. Depending on what Arrowana your talking about, some are legal, illegal and is a felony to have them in your possesion due to their extinct status in the wild.
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is the US the only country in the world to outlaw asian aro ownership?
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 11:33 PM (#6) User is offline   Lahot 

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asian arowanas are an endangered species, it's the same as having a pet bald eagle. You can own them in the US with a special permits and the one you get is from a fish farm.

Every state has it's little weird laws, Innes is always talking about those damned little clawed frogs, while they are in every store here in NJ, you need a permit to buy them.

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Asian arrowana are not Ilegal they are protected under CITIES
and other trading laws, These laws have been enacted to avoid un-nessesary
over harvesting of Endangered or culturaly significant animals,
In reality it is a commercial trade law, Do a google search
on CITES and IUCN to learn more,

Reasons for the banning of some species in the US is simple, these fish are a
Potential threat to the native eco-system.

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they are a threat for like wut, 1 season? i guess a threat is a threat.

also in the amazon, i heard they over fish piranhas and they are barely any compared to any fish. all i'm trying to say in the amazon i read there is a sufficient amount of food for piranhas. kids go swimming in piranha infested waters everyday. kids are expensive feeders

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Polypterus, on Oct 30 2003, 09:29 PM, said:

Asian arrowana are not Ilegal they are protected under CITIES
and other trading laws, These laws have been enacted to avoid un-nessesary
over harvesting of Endangered or culturaly significant animals,
In reality it is a commercial trade law, Do a google search
on CITES and IUCN to learn more,

Reasons for the banning of some species in the US is simple, these fish are a
Potential threat to the native eco-system.

and the number one answer on our survey is:


Reasons for the banning of some species in the US is simple, these fish are a
Potential threat to the native eco-system.



very well said :thumbup:
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thePACK, on Oct 31 2003, 05:15 AM, said:

Reasons for the banning of some species in the US is simple, these fish are a
Potential threat to the native eco-system.

but what about places like maine???? no piranha can survive waters there, so y is it illegal there??? it poses no threat to the local eco system.....

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i would never buy an aro unless i had over 300 gallons

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boxer, on Oct 31 2003, 04:56 AM, said:

they are a threat for like wut, 1 season? i guess a threat is a threat.

also in the amazon, i heard they over fish piranhas and they are barely any compared to any fish. all i'm trying to say in the amazon i read there is a sufficient amount of food for piranhas. kids go swimming in piranha infested waters everyday. kids are expensive feeders

what in god's name are you talking about?
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go away bean

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Polypterus, on Oct 31 2003, 05:29 AM, said:

Asian arrowana are not Ilegal they are protected under CITIES
and other trading laws, These laws have been enacted to avoid un-nessesary
over harvesting of Endangered or culturaly significant animals,
In reality it is a commercial trade law, Do a google search
on CITES and IUCN to learn more,

Reasons for the banning of some species in the US is simple, these fish are a
Potential threat to the native eco-system.

same as in sweden :thumbup:

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boxer, on Oct 31 2003, 07:50 AM, said:

go away bean

wil you please re-read what you posted


Also Boxer, that is not very nice. You make Beans (with an 's') very sad.

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Posted 31 October 2003 - 11:37 AM (#16) User is offline    

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would asian arrowanas purchased from breeders be illegal?

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14_blast, on Oct 31 2003, 11:14 AM, said:

would asian arrowanas purchased from breeders be illegal?

As long as they are Microchiped and from a documented and proven source.

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Thanks, Poly.

They are still expensive, though.

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boxer, on Oct 30 2003, 09:56 PM, said:

they are a threat for like wut, 1 season? i guess a threat is a threat.

Piranhas are only really illegal in states they can survive all year round, unfortunatly many fishkeepers are simply irrisponsibe and do not think how there actions affect local wildlife and other hobbyists.
these people should not be allowed to keep any kind of animal  :nod:
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I'm pretty sure asian aros are illegal in the U.S. even with a chip. They are not illegal here because they would be a nuisance, it is that CITES ranking. If you are listed on CITES you are AUTOMATICALLY AN ENDANGERED SPECIES in the U.S. and you can imagine the trouble you get in keeping an endangered species. I'd agree that most other illegal fish are for dangerous release reasons.

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