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Profile: Pirandirá, (Payara) Hydrolycus Scomberoides

Posted 07 January 2006 - 11:04 PM (#1) User is offline   MR.FREEZ 

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here is goes, i dont know how much of this i got right or wrong, but this
is up for discussion, corrections, additions, pictures needed from other
members. i read all the good info, or the info i thought was good anyway,
i could find. i never kept these fish or even seen one in real life, just felt
this site needed it, so here the ground work i have done now i leave it
to the memebers of this site to help refine it. post your comments and ill
edit accordingly

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Scientific name: Hydrolycus Scomberoides
Common name: Pirandira`,Payara, Vampire Tetra,
Synonyms: Hydrolycus Pectroalis
Genus: Hydrolycus
Order: Characiformes
Class: Actinopterygii
Family: Cynodontidae
Subfamily: Cynodontinae
Origin: South America, through out the Amazon River basins.

Minimum Tank Size: Aquariums over 500 U.S. gallons would be needed to provide adequate space for one adult sized fish.

Tank setup: Lots of open swimming space, a tight lid cause these fish can jump and are very powerful. You will need a powerful power head, this fish are often caught in very fast moving waters.

Temperament: Can be territorial.
Compatibility: They may form schools when young, I wouldn’t keep them with any other fish in the tank though, especially anything small and bite sized.

Water Type: Fresh, 75*F to 82*F, common to the Rio Orinoco and the Rio Amazonas basins you should aim to make your water chemistry match close as possible.

Size: They can get up to 3 feet or more but the biggest I have heard of is 15 inches in the home aquarium (There is a world record of 39 lbs. 4oz.). They have a mysterious death syndrome myth once they get to a certain size. Though there is lots of speculation as to why, I think it’s that they need different requirements at that size that a home aquarium can’t give them. If it’s a change of diet, water chemistry/conditions, or something else, no one really seems to know for sure.

This fish IS NOT for the beginner hobbyist.

Sexual dimorphism: Could not find anything on sexing.
Breeding: Never been accomplished in the home aquarium, or any aquarium that I know of.

Feeding: Live foods, very hard to train to take anything prepared.

Other Info: A very popular game fish in the Amazon and it pretty easy finding a fishing guide using the internet.

One thing I have always been interested in is the way I have read that they swim, at approximately a 45* angle, I have always wanted to see video of them just swimming around to see this.

Their long teeth that give them so many creative common names seem to be used to spear fish when hunting. Then they work the fish around head first.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 05:51 PM (#2) User is offline   AKSkirmish 

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This is all i can add there freeze,feel free to use either one if you would like.these fish are very finicky on there water params.require alot of current and big tanks.
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 hastatus, on Nov 10 2005, 06:03 PM, said:

1. Its not a PAYARA, its a Pirandirá . This payara name has been floating around the sport fishing pages and its the wrong native common name.

2. Piranhas, namely S. rhombeus is indeed used for bait to catch these fish in the rapids.

3. These fish are geared for eating surface fish (look at their eyes and upturned snout). And as stated, these fish require very clean waters and live in rapids. Most do indeed die in the home aquarium unless you are willing to spend quite a few dollars to keep them alive in a giant aquarium. At best, you might get it to reach a foot long IF YOU ARE VERY VERY LUCKY which is not even close to 1/2 grown. Most die in the home aquarium at 6 or so inches.


This is some information provied by Frank (hastatus). It contains some good info (about the name, eating of surface fish, etc....). Maybe you can use this.
What I always like in profiles are personal experienes, so maybe there are few members that can share these with us, but that is just a thought that I had.

Great profile :)

Posted 09 January 2006 - 12:00 PM (#4) User is offline   MR.FREEZ 

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but if they swim at more of an angle wouldnt that

bring there line of site down to mid water hunt/ambush?

by lookin at them i can see the surface feeding but

maybe ehh?


i think i will edit the title for the name but still include

Payara cause thats how most know the fish.


and you bet man, i leaving this in the forums for some time

to get some personal experiences

Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:20 PM (#5) User is offline   MR.FREEZ 

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Great profile :move:

Posted 13 January 2006 - 08:28 PM (#7) User is offline   MR.FREEZ 

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any other comments or corrections???

Posted 15 January 2006 - 07:51 PM (#8) User is offline   MR.FREEZ 

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pinned for few days for more attention and review

Posted 07 March 2006 - 12:52 PM (#9) User is offline    

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I have one and this guy will swim perfectly vertical looking for a meal. I was worried about the life expectancy and talked with Pedro...he said these guys easily grow to 3' plus in captivity. You just need to give them the proper care.

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